tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post9192346065805765384..comments2023-12-22T11:05:09.570-05:00Comments on Yuri Stargirl: Flip flappers animators cross the line and ruin what could have been a great show (Anime Review)Jaimehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-89830819939229210192022-07-16T08:28:58.742-04:002022-07-16T08:28:58.742-04:00Not sure if these two questions were to me or the ...Not sure if these two questions were to me or the original commenter above. But I'm going to refrain from responding because it's been so long since I've seen the show or written about it, that I'm not sure I have anything useful to say without re-watching it. My memory is just that bad when it comes to specifics and your questions deserve a more thoughtful reply than I can give right now. Sorry >_<Jaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-77859723510527566222022-07-12T06:25:02.233-04:002022-07-12T06:25:02.233-04:00And what exactly is the show trying to say, when y...And what exactly is the show trying to say, when you talked about removing the sexuality? And what does it say when there are only 3 straight characters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-39849818539352245292022-07-12T06:14:07.214-04:002022-07-12T06:14:07.214-04:00And what exactly did the show had to say, when you...And what exactly did the show had to say, when you talked about removing the sexuality?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-27792822872004712692021-09-03T07:32:10.455-04:002021-09-03T07:32:10.455-04:00Thank you so much for reading and offering a diffe...Thank you so much for reading and offering a different perspective on this series. It's really important that we be able to engage in discourse like this. So often the nuances get lost in online conversation so I really appreciate you sharing another perspective in a thoughtful way. It's also what's always cool about art, what works for someone won't work for others and vice versa, and what triggers concerns in some won't for others. I think it's important that we have these types of discussions because we want art to be made, and we want art that is diverse and centered around creator vision, even if not everyone likes it. The last thing anyone should ever want is sterile art. So even though the show rubbed me the wrong way, I love knowing that it also brings joy to others even if we all interpreted things differently. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts.Jaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-17053301214344367942021-09-03T07:25:51.614-04:002021-09-03T07:25:51.614-04:00Thank you for your thoughtful reply and for readin...Thank you for your thoughtful reply and for reading, and for feeling comfortable enough in this forum to share some of your own background. Jaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-40748228004882960192021-08-30T01:14:26.064-04:002021-08-30T01:14:26.064-04:00Flip Flappers is not for kids nor adults; it's...Flip Flappers is not for kids nor adults; it's for adolescents, though it may also be enjoyed by adults. the sexuality is probably a bit much for children though, and it has some moments that could probably be scary to especially young children (like in episode 1 where Papika and Cocona stared at Bu-chan's brain, or episode 5)<br /><br />your claim that "there is no yuri" in the show seems really off base. like, sure, Papika and Cocona never outright kiss, but they do have a big moment where they profess their love for each other and then don wedding dresses. it's practically a cannon pairing. and did you see episode 5? or episode 7??? I understand the whole Class S thing means that a lot of behaviors between japanese girls that would usually be interpreted as romantic are seen as platonic, but Flip Flappers does just about everything it can to show that Papika and Cocona are in love with each other other than showing them kissing. it almost feels like the writers weren't allowed to make the characters kiss or something<br /><br />also, I think that the sexuality is a hugely important part of the show. there are some parts that are unnecessary, particularly, Nyunyu really should have had more clothes to wear (especially when it starts snowing. isn't she cold?), and episode 8 was pretty male-gazey (I get that it was supposed to be Bu-chan's pure illusion, and so it sexualized the characters because Bu-chan is a pervert, but I don't think that its use there really added anything or said anything about the show). however, a major part of the show is about Cocona coming to understand and accept her sexuality, particularly that she is attracted to girls. the show has a lot of comments on and critiques of psychosexuality. if you remove the sexuality, you lose a lot of what the show has to say. furthermore, much (though not all) of the sexual content in the show doesn't seem problematic to me, unless sexual content is for some reason inherently problematic (though I guess an argument can be made that it is, since the characters are middle schoolers). a lot of it doesn't seem very male-gazey to me, that is, it encourages you to empathize with the characters rather than objectify them. also, I don't think that anyone is going to think that something is acceptable because Bu-chan did it, since he is not only inhuman, but also often portrayed as pathetic (especially in his more horny moments)<br /><br />the concept of Bu-chan I think is pretty funny; rather than than getting an adorable, helpful, talking animal companion like in most magical girl shows, here the characters get a horny robot that can only say "buu" (and "pure illusion" in episode 1) and that sometimes helps the enemy (as in episode 3. in execution, though Bu-chan does have some good moments, it doesn't really manage to live up to the premise. it's not a bit deal though, since he's not really the focus. I think that in general though, Bu-chan's sexuality is meant to be played for laughs and general weirdness factor, since a robot having a sexuality is inherently a strange concept. also, the fact that Bu-chan, Salt, and Mimi are the only straight characters I think is meant to say somethingKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02318083991950846007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-91914526338750637052021-08-20T07:20:00.707-04:002021-08-20T07:20:00.707-04:00You hit the nail on the head. Children are develop...You hit the nail on the head. Children are developmentally vulnerable. Their brains are not equipped with the necessary faculty to make informed rational decisions. Their developing brains find meaning in the things they're exposed to during their formative years. If they are exposed to images and stories which depict violence/over-sexualization/abuse as 'normal', and they do not have the guidance and support of adults to counteract this exposure, then they will grow to think these things aren't dangerous but in fact normal. Normal things, in their heads, happen all the time, and therefore they are allowed to happen. Scientists know this.<br /><br />Also, major props to you for responding so articulately to that inflammatory comment in way that is logical, respectful, and persuasive.<br />I just stumbled upon this blog while looking for articles about the problem with fan service and the oversexualization of children in anime. It really does have a negative impact which needs to be studied more.<br /><br />I was unfortunately a textbook example of a child who was exposed many things of these things in anime, and who grew up without communication from my parents about how the world really worked. I ended up in an abusive relationship with 45 year old man when I was a teenager. The shows I watched gave me the unconscious belief that it was normal for young girls to be sexual objects for old men.Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-73901242723284981532020-05-28T08:41:18.077-04:002020-05-28T08:41:18.077-04:00ps. also your comment was mostly an ad hominem att...ps. also your comment was mostly an ad hominem attack on me and my writing ability without adding any actual content to the discussion about the show or the themes of my review. Just saying! >_<Jaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-28400577060281279192020-05-28T08:39:11.502-04:002020-05-28T08:39:11.502-04:00Part 3
I don't know if all this helps explain ...Part 3<br />I don't know if all this helps explain why I was concerned with those types of moments in a show that I otherwise liked? Because I did like it, and I would be okay with kids watching it. I have no idea if its a kids show or not, but I sure as hell would talk through those things with my own child.<br /><br />I also am talking through those things with any adults who stumble onto my blog because we need to stop using these types of situations and images without any critique in our media and entertainment. As shows like She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (the reboot) demonstrate, we can have diverse (racial, ethnic, LGBTQ, body type, etc...) casts, we can celebrate bodies of all types, we don't have to cloth our women in thong bikini's every chance we get, we don't have to have a single crotch shot...etc...etc... to be entertaining, thoughtful, or meaningful. I dare anyone to explain why the particular nuances that I found concerning in Flip Flappers were in any way helpful or useful to the plot or artistic value of this show regardless of the age of the audience. But also remember, I liked 99% of the show, and said so in my review! :) One can like something and also be critical of parts of it. And just because I'm critical of something doesn't mean you can't like it, and vice versa. We are allowed to like different things. But I hope I added context to my argument that might make you rethink some of the imagery in this show regardless of what age it is for.<br /><br />(the end)Jaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-14838442685179777972020-05-28T08:38:40.850-04:002020-05-28T08:38:40.850-04:00Part 2:
What's important is knowing whether ch...Part 2:<br />What's important is knowing whether children are watching or not. The creators can do anything they like, it's their show. But if there is a likelihood that children are watching they have a few choices: 1) don't put in overt sexualization,or glorified violence, or racist tropes, or other problematic stuff; 2) Put that stuff in and directly critique it within the context of the show - ie natural teaching as dialogue and outcomes within the show; or 3) put it in, don't critique it within the show and I'm going to critique it myself and make sure that I'm aware of what my own child is watching and help her process through it (and I hope other parents do too). This blog is a place where I raise awareness for things that perpetuate harm, stereotypes, or oppression but I also try to bring awareness to works of art that elevate us beyond the problems of our current society (when I find them).<br /><br />So whether this show was "intended" for children or not, what I know is that children are likely to watch it. It isn't "Breaking Bad" or "Shameless" or other U.S. shows that are clearly meant for adult audiences (and shame on parents who let their 10 year olds watch those - yup, I do feel that those shows, even with processing, would be harmful for a 10 year old). Those shows might be okay for a teen audience, but I would want parents to process that with teens as teens brains are still very much developing (especially the reasoning and other centers of the prefrontal cortex which helps with decision making). I remember my own father watching an action movie with me, and after he talked to be about the way women were treated in one scene to make sure I understood that it wasn't okay to treat women like that. Lessons like that stick with kids and make kids into better adults. <br /><br />As for anime, the lines tend to get blurred because multiple ages may enjoy a show, the mere fact of it being animated allows us to "excuse" more than we would in live action, and that so many anime are "for" adults but feature children (and if you've read some of my other reviews, you know I rail against teachers dating students in manga as an example of one trope that needs to die) - so all those taken together, I am providing a critique, from my point of view, and looking at things through an intersectional lens - and middle school crotch shots, penis fondling children, and revealing clothing smacks of male voyeurism and sexualization of minors and I thought it was unnecessary for any valid artistic or literary purpose in this show. The inclusion of that type of imagery and those situations could normalize that for children and we don't want that normalized. Let children be children and have deep, complex inner worlds, let them explore sexuality naturally, let them develop intimate relationships with same age peers, that all good, fine. But don't show their underwear suggestively on TV. Don't have 12 year olds fondling phalic joysticks, don't show that it's okay to lust after and chase naked women, and don't promote the show as if its all skimpy costumes (especially since it's not and 99% of the show is awesome). So if that concern is arbitrary and lacks nuance, I'm cool with that!<br /><br />(to be continued...)Jaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-73564761570381358992020-05-28T08:37:22.780-04:002020-05-28T08:37:22.780-04:00Hi, thank you for reading and taking the time to r...Hi, thank you for reading and taking the time to reply. I agree with you whole heartedly that children are complex, thoughtful, and way more aware of the world than adults typically acknowledge. I'm also not trying to shelter anyone. <br /><br />I also know that developmentally, when children are repeatedly exposed to violent, sexualized, or other "mature" content at a young age AND don't have a supportive adult to help them process through it, that it can change the way children view themselves in the world, and not for the better (ie it may normalize inappropriate behavior, it may normalize the male gaze, it may normalize violence as a solution to problems, etc...). <br /><br />I spend a fair amount of time working with childhood victims of trauma and teaching schools how to be trauma informed. What we know is that a bad event doesn't create trauma if there is an adult there to help them process it. People can and do get over things, but when children routinely are exposed to problematic messages without that support to process through them, then it can be not so great. <br /><br />With that as a backdrop, I think that's what I meant by concerned that this show (a show that features middle school characters, and has some wonderful qualities that I would want for entertainment for even my own child) also made some choices, which if they go unquestioned and unsupported by a parent/adult in the household would not be what I would want my child thinking was okay in the world. Here's a quote from the above review about things that concerned me: <br /><br />..."but here's some middle-school girl crotch for you, or here's a robot making lecherous advances on nearly naked women, or here's a completely unnecessary shower scene, or a phallic looking joystick in a mecha being squeezed by a girl in a close-up shot, or this character's power comes from her upper thigh, or WHAT THE HELL IS SHE WEARING? (Yeah, I'm talking to you, third child that appears out of nowhere in the last few episodes - I mean, it's skimpier than underwear in the front and we get regular butt crack - NOT OKAY)...Crunchyroll used promo art that shows clear middle-school girl cleavage/side-boob..."<br /><br />These examples: camera shot of a middle-school girls crotch, squeezing an obvious penis, hitting on women without consent, super skimpy clothing that sexualizes a young girl, etc... are all examples of overt sexualization of minors. If that was an artistic choice, that's their decision to make, but I still get to be critical of it. <br /><br />I don't think any of those choices helped the story for either adult or child viewers (a series which I actually really liked remember), and I would want any parent to know about them in the show so that they could watch WITH their child and process through what those types of things mean and how they aren't okay in the real world. We've done that for 16 years with our own child and she is now able to separate what's on-screen from what is okay in the real world, and thus protect herself, advocate for consent, and basically respect other people while insisting on respect for herself.<br /><br />And maybe this is an adult show and not meant for kids? As you say, my division of adult and children's shows might be arbitrary. Is the new She-Ra and the Princesses of Power for adults or children? Is My Little Pony Friendship is Magic for adults or children? And I, as an adult, LOVE Arthur on PBS Kids. (I also love those other shows I just mentioned and think they are okay for adults and children). <br /><br />(part 1, to be continued...)Jaimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11650864719718347146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2739773582772593408.post-86555017386693030332020-05-27T14:15:42.085-04:002020-05-27T14:15:42.085-04:00Your division to "children shows" and &q...Your division to "children shows" and "adult shows" is arbitrary, abrupt and lacks nuance and understanding of spectrum.<br /><br />do you think people are naive little children who are too young and innocent to think or process anything else than Paddington until hey turn 18, from which point onward they're adults and anything goes?<br /><br />That's the feeling I get when I read your review.Mio Taalashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16800006784058907660noreply@blogger.com